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	<title>Comments on: Ahmadinejad – No Great Bargain for a Struggling Chávez</title>
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		<title>By: Eugen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>andy, 
 
where was the outcry when Bush invited Karimov to the White House in 2002? 
 
For those of you who don&#039;t know Karimov, he&#039;s (still) Uzbekiztan&#039;s dictator, and makes Ahmadinejad look like a shy school boy. Torture and state violence and repression were horrendous and recognized by the US State Department&#039;s human rights report in 2001. [1] After 911, the US government decided that he wasn&#039;t that bad after all (Uzbekistan was of strategic importance for the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan) and the US government and Uzbekistan became close friends. Karimov hadn&#039;t changed, only the US government&#039;s opinion had - and the media followed suit. You&#039;ll actually find that torture under his rule went so far as boiling people to death. 
Pictures of Bush and Karimov can still be found on the net of course, shaking hands and laughing. So where was the outcry? 
 
More examples could be cited, e.g. Saddam, before he fell from grace (but that was after he massacred his own people) and others. No outcries. 
 
Yes, Ahmadinejad is authoritarian and undemocratic, getting worse and worse, but he&#039;s nothing compared to many of the US&#039; friends and allies. 
And I&#039;m not saying that you can compare Bush and Obama, but would you be surprised if Obama met Colombia&#039;s Uribe? Would there be an outcry in the media? And there&#039;s no doubt about his human rights records, if you look at his military&#039;s and para-military&#039;s tortures and killings. 
 
What would all this tell you about the &quot;vibrant democracy&quot; of the US, if you followed your own logic? 
 
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[1] Excerpt from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/eur/8366.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/eur/836...&lt;/a&gt; : 
 
..., both police and the NSS routinely tortured, beat, and otherwise mistreated detainees to obtain confessions, which they then used to incriminate the detainees. Police also used suffocation, electric shock, rape, and other sexual abuse. Neither the severity nor frequency of torture appeared to have decreased during the year. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>andy, </p>
<p>where was the outcry when Bush invited Karimov to the White House in 2002? </p>
<p>For those of you who don&#039;t know Karimov, he&#039;s (still) Uzbekiztan&#039;s dictator, and makes Ahmadinejad look like a shy school boy. Torture and state violence and repression were horrendous and recognized by the US State Department&#039;s human rights report in 2001. [1] After 911, the US government decided that he wasn&#039;t that bad after all (Uzbekistan was of strategic importance for the 2001 invasion of Afghanistan) and the US government and Uzbekistan became close friends. Karimov hadn&#039;t changed, only the US government&#039;s opinion had &#8211; and the media followed suit. You&#039;ll actually find that torture under his rule went so far as boiling people to death.<br />
Pictures of Bush and Karimov can still be found on the net of course, shaking hands and laughing. So where was the outcry? </p>
<p>More examples could be cited, e.g. Saddam, before he fell from grace (but that was after he massacred his own people) and others. No outcries. </p>
<p>Yes, Ahmadinejad is authoritarian and undemocratic, getting worse and worse, but he&#039;s nothing compared to many of the US&#039; friends and allies.<br />
And I&#039;m not saying that you can compare Bush and Obama, but would you be surprised if Obama met Colombia&#039;s Uribe? Would there be an outcry in the media? And there&#039;s no doubt about his human rights records, if you look at his military&#039;s and para-military&#039;s tortures and killings. </p>
<p>What would all this tell you about the &quot;vibrant democracy&quot; of the US, if you followed your own logic? </p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
[1] Excerpt from <a href="http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/eur/8366.htm" target="_blank">http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/eur/836&#8230;</a> : </p>
<p>&#8230;, both police and the NSS routinely tortured, beat, and otherwise mistreated detainees to obtain confessions, which they then used to incriminate the detainees. Police also used suffocation, electric shock, rape, and other sexual abuse. Neither the severity nor frequency of torture appeared to have decreased during the year.</p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 01:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With democracy as vibrant in Venezuela as Mr. Katz suggests, there&#039;s curiously no apparent outcry by the egalitarian supporters of Chavez, against his partnership with a highly repressive regime. If Obama were to hug the militarists in Myanmar, there would be a huge response  against this by Obama&#039;s base.  A true Bolivian revolutionary would recoil from an embrace of the Iranian regime which has the blood of innocents on it&#039;s hands. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With democracy as vibrant in Venezuela as Mr. Katz suggests, there&#039;s curiously no apparent outcry by the egalitarian supporters of Chavez, against his partnership with a highly repressive regime. If Obama were to hug the militarists in Myanmar, there would be a huge response  against this by Obama&#039;s base.  A true Bolivian revolutionary would recoil from an embrace of the Iranian regime which has the blood of innocents on it&#039;s hands.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the saying is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend, </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the saying is true that the enemy of my enemy is my friend,</p>
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		<title>By: guest</title>
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		<dc:creator>guest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is hilarious!  The de facto government of Honduras, despite its many and abiding sins and excesses, is certainly no worse than that of Iran.  But Chavez, Lula et al., demand that it be toppled and Zelaya restored before they will restore relations.  And yet Mr. Ahmadinejad arrives and it&#039;s hugs and kisses all around. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hilarious!  The de facto government of Honduras, despite its many and abiding sins and excesses, is certainly no worse than that of Iran.  But Chavez, Lula et al., demand that it be toppled and Zelaya restored before they will restore relations.  And yet Mr. Ahmadinejad arrives and it&#039;s hugs and kisses all around.</p>
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		<title>By: Urqu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Urqu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The world is getting increasingly polarised: the US is now clearly retaking the offensive in Latin America to halt the so-called &quot;pink tide&quot;. This is what is behind the support of the Honduras golpe, the 4th Fleet, the Colombian bases,  etc. I think that the governments of Ch&#225;vez, Morales, Correa, etc. and even Brazil, are bracing for ever more Pentagon interventions so the &quot;enemy of my enemy....&quot; strategy is fast gaining ground over strategies based on political and moral principles. I had no idea of the extent of neoliberal entrenchment in Iran before Katz&#039; article. Ideological principles are the first things to go when under threat.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The world is getting increasingly polarised: the US is now clearly retaking the offensive in Latin America to halt the so-called &quot;pink tide&quot;. This is what is behind the support of the Honduras golpe, the 4th Fleet, the Colombian bases,  etc. I think that the governments of Ch&aacute;vez, Morales, Correa, etc. and even Brazil, are bracing for ever more Pentagon interventions so the &quot;enemy of my enemy&#8230;.&quot; strategy is fast gaining ground over strategies based on political and moral principles. I had no idea of the extent of neoliberal entrenchment in Iran before Katz&#039; article. Ideological principles are the first things to go when under threat.</p>
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